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Indian activists shed trail of tears on Ho Plaza.


The second Monday in October is a day when Italian Americans take a break from whacking informants and cooking spaghetti sauce to put on their finest polyester track suits, iciest white cutoff t-shirts, and largest gold crucifixes to celebrate the discovery of the Americas by their ancestral countryman, Christopher Columbus. Alas, Columbus Day has also become the time of the year when bitter Indians leave their casinos to wail about genocide and scalp the legacies of the European colonists. In the face of this assault, it is necessary to circle the wagon around our European forbearers and defend our heritage.

On October 12, Indians from Cornell, the local community, and around the country gathered on Ho Plaza to protest the celebration of Columbus Day. The event began with some ritual chanting—perhaps to keep the rain god away on such an overcast and ominous-looking afternoon. Unfortunately, the rest of the rally was much less exciting. There was no tomahawk throwing contest, no make-up-your-own dreamcatcher game, and no Sugarhill Gang’s “Apache” playing in the background. Instead, there was a libel throwing contest, a make-up-your-own genocide game, and incomprehensible chanting in the background.

The first speaker was Jason Corwin, a graduate student at Cornell and citizen of the Seneca Nation. He declared that we cannot celebrate Columbus’s discovery of America because America was already settled by Indians at the time of his arrival. Next, Professor Eric Cheyfitz spoke, echoing Corwin’s point on Columbus’s discovery of America by claiming “Columbus didn’t discover America any more than George Bush discovered Iraq.” Cheyfitz insisted we Americans “stop celebrating a genocide” and end Columbus Day.

A later speaker spoke of the existence of Indian “political prisoners” in the United States. He then incorporated South American natives into the discussion by stating that a great number of native peoples were killed under Augusto Pinochet’s regime in Chile. Just like American liberals blame George W. Bush for every problem in America, Augusto Pinochet is the whipping boy of South America’s leftists. As if driving out the communists from Chile was not sufficient evidence, Pinochet’s ability to inspire this amount of residual hatred from the left is further sign of his impressive rule in that nation.

A few more individuals gave their speeches on Ho Plaza, but most merely reverberated previous speakers’ arguments or added more stories of the oppression of Indians in the Americas. The picture painted at the anti-Columbus Day rally was of a pure, pristine, and peaceful civilization that was brutally oppressed, massacred, and perpetually harassed by evil, conquering, blood-thirsty Europeans.

We are supposed to believe that before the arrival of the European explorers Indians heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon, asked the grinning bobcat why he grinned, sang with all the voices of the mountains, and painted with all the colors of the wind. We are supposed to accept the image of Indian civilization sung by Disney’s Pocahontas. Maybe if the lyrics the lovely Disney princess sang were completely true or if more of the pre-Columbian Indian inhabitants had been smoking hot like Pocahontas there would be more sympathy for the Indians’ grievances. The problem is that the truth is not entirely on their side, and not all of their ancestors conformed to the idealized eating disorder-inducing physique of Disney’s Pocahontas.

A glimpse at the reality of the pre-Columbian Indian civilizations can be seen in an August 23, 2006 article from Reuters: “Boiled bones show Aztecs butchered, ate invaders.” Skeletons found at an archaeological site near Mexico City proved that the Aztecs ritually sacrificed and ate a group of several hundred Spanish conquistadors and their companions. The director of the dig, archeologist Enrique Martinez characterized the suffering of the prisoners: “While the prisoners were listening to their companions being sacrificed, the next ones were being selected…You can only imagine what it was like for the last ones, who were left six months before being chosen, their anguish.”

According to the article, teeth marks on the bones indicate where human flesh was ripped from the bone and knife marks show where hearts were cut out of chests. Other evidence illustrates that pregnant women’s unborn babies were stabbed in utero as part of the ritual sacrifice. Any people that would participate in such atrocities are not civilized—they are savage.

As a response to hearing reports of human sacrifice, the piece continues, “[Hernán] Cortes renamed the town Tecuaque—meaning ‘where people were eaten’ in the indigenous Nahuatl language—and sent an army to wipe out its people.” Can anyone really blame Señor Cortes? What kind of man would not respond aggressively to accounts that his countrymen had been cruelly imprisoned, their hearts cut out and their unborn children murdered?

The rosy portrayal of pre-Columbian natives by radical Indian activists makes it seem as if Europeans brought the concept of violence to the New World. At the anti-Columbus Day rally there was absolutely no mention of any brutality or wrongdoing on the part of native peoples. It is almost as if they want us to think that before Columbus the Americas were inhabited by peace-loving peoples who would solve conflicts by hugging it out or playing a friendly game of rock, paper, scissors (or perhaps more accurately, rock, tree bark, pointed stick).

This characterization, of course, is false. The Incan empire did not arise from hugs and kisses but from diplomacy and conquest. In fact, it was some of the Inca’s disaffected subject tribes that provided critical aid for Francisco Pizzaro in his conquest of Peru. The Aztecs also made war to create and hold together their empire, and similarly, Cortes allied with the native Tlaxcaltecs to rise up against the Aztecs in Mexico. There was no great harmony among the first peoples inhabiting the Americas.

To be sure, there were atrocities committed against American Indians by Europeans. However, it is important to understand that both the white man and the red man participated in violence and cruelty in the New World. Death and destruction did not occur on a one-way llama path. In North America, for every reneged land deal or peace treaty there was a brutal scalping or a raid on a European settlement. Thomas Jefferson included the following in the Declaration of Independence’s list of complaints against King George III:

“He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.”

You can’t earn that sort of a reputation by merely helping colonists grow corn and sharing a friendly Thanksgiving dinner. And it wasn’t the Europeans who taught them how to kill.

Regardless of the caterwauling of radical Indian activists Columbus Day should not be abolished. Yes, Europeans did bad things to Indians and yes, Indians did bad things to each other and to Europeans as well. But for all of the trials and tribulations the Americas have experienced since Columbus’s arrival, all of its people have benefited from the gift of Western civilization that was brought to its shores. The redeeming power of Christianity was passed on to millions who had been living in the darkness of pagan superstition. The political, technological, medical, and economic advances of the West have benefited all peoples living in North in South America.

In short, the Indian activists who rallied on Ho Plaza should instead be thanking Christopher Columbus and his European successors for bestowing upon them the fruits of Western Civilization. Without those dead white males there would be no United States of America; no Cornell University; no Ho Plaza; no microphone and speakers to amplify the Indian activists’ rants; and no proud descendants of the brave European settlers to call them out on their lies.Cornell American

Eric Shive graduated in 2007 from the College of Arts and Sciences. He can be reached at ems63@cornell.edu.

 

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Courtney Miller-Rao on 10/24/2006 at 12:07 PM
As a Native American woman who, oddly enough, is also a fluent speaker of Italian, I don't know where to begin refuting this absurdity. Mr. Shive is obviously not the most shining example of conservative men (although I myself am liberal, I know many conservative men who would rather be lit on fire than have this hate speech attached to their good names. If this publication doesn't want to appear any more idiotic than it already has by posting this, I suggest it take the article off its site immediately.

And, oddly enough, I recall the name "Shive" being a British name---interesting for someone who would love claiming that he's a true American.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Bonnie Singleton on 10/24/2006 at 8:55 AM
This article is so full of prejudice and hate. Eric Shive, you are undoubtedly one of the post bigoted people alive. You obviously know nothing about American Indians. You say that we have benefited from Western civilization. Who's to say that conditions are better now, thanks to European conquest? Are we really better off? I was going to point out certain flaws in your thinking, but there are really too many to list. The entire article is offensive. You should apologize for this hateful garbage.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: PenelopePitStop on 10/24/2006 at 1:02 PM
'Diatribe' is Eric's middle name by the look of this.

Okay, Eric. This year, in Denver, the Columbus Day Parade was led by the 3rd Cavalry, on horseback, in full cavalry uniform. The same 3rd Cavalry who appeared behind Geoge Bush in one of his many 'let's get the evildoers' public addresses from ______ fill in the blank for army base. This is the same division of the cavalry that carried out the Sand Creek massacre, and whose brave and courageous soldiers tore babies from pregnant women's bellies, cut out their vaginas and wore them over their hats, and generally had themselves a ball. ANY argument that this holiday is anything other than a political statement is bogus and frankly, laughable.

As for Pinochet. I have a friend who is married to a Chilean exile. He and his family are Machupe Indians. They committed the offense of supporting Pinochet's political opponent who had stated that if he came to power he would make effort to return some of the Machupe homelands back to the Indians. Him, his brother, cousin and father were dragged from their beds and taken to a holding jail where they were systematically beaten and shot. They were then dumped back at their home where they were given two hours to gather their family and their worldly possessions and leave Chile. They had their passports and papers taken from them and were escorted to the border. They fled the country and lived in Europe as exiles until Pinochet was overthrown.

Use that Ivy League education to actually learn something of your country's history - social, chronoligical, cultural and imperialistic. Otherwise, you amount to nothing more than yet another right wing dolt espousing hate and pompousity.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: David Gurule on 10/24/2006 at 11:22 AM
It seems that Mr. Eric Shive has not read Bury My heart at Wounded Knee or the American Haulocaust, two books which should be part of any college history course dealing with the so-called founding of this Nation.

It also appears that he puts Christianity above any Native Spirituality, one religion that has been the cause of so many wars throughout history. I am supposed to be gratefull for Christianity? Hah! I would be no more gratefull for a case of the Balck Death. Christians, oh those good holy men helped kill and destroy my ancestors homelands and people.

Chivington was a minister... yet he led the Colorado Regiment against the Villiage of Black Kettle, in a massacre known as Sand Creek. There were many Sand Creeks that the People endured. Why is it in our history books and elsewhere that if the Indians won the battle, it was called a massacre and if the whites won it was called a battle?

It is because in this country History is written by the conqueror. No more , no less. Yet we are starting to hear native voices against that retelling and rehashing of History.

As for the entire slant of this article, is against anything that goes against his precious United States.... the one country that has now invaded a country without reason.... it's just more of the same old thing, the coming of the same old calvery.... take what you want... just because you can.

I am not a History professor, but I do hold a history degree, and a masters, and I can see through the crap that this bigotted person has come up with. It's the same old arguement we hear each time from such narrow minded individuals, it's a wonder that this person is in a school of higher learning... so narrow is his mindset. Why didn't you go over and ask people why? Why have you not researched yourself this issue that is and has become a rallying cry for native Americans? It is becasue that through this you will learn how this country was really founded and how it was "won" ?

Oh by the way Mr. Shive, I am a Mescalero and Chiricahua Apache, whoose people fought first the Spanish, then the Mexicans, and then the Americans for our homelands, and the Americans were the worse.

They were responsible for the 25 years my people were declared prisoners of war... first sent to Flordia, then to Alabama, and then to Fort Sill in Oklahoma. Then after 25 years we were allowed to go back to just a part of our homelands, Mescalero Reservation in New Mexico.

In this so-called land of the free ... we were not "American" citizens until after WWI, we were not allowed in this country of religious freedom to practice our own spirituality/religion until 1978 !!! Yeah we have so much to be thankful fo in this country .... NOT !!! Our sacred places are ruined by archeologists and pot hunters, our burial grounds are dug up by whites who despoil our ancestors resting places so they can get burial items to sell on E-Bay.... and yes it has happened and we fought against it.

Your narrow mindedness reminds me of someone not exposed to hioght education, but someone who rather thinks his own rigid pre-conceived thoughts about a people he knows nothing about.

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Re: David Gurule on 10/24/2006 at 11:22 AM
By: Swan on 03/6/2007 at 9:22 AM
I apologize as a follower of christ(Christian). Europeans did not examplify the God they came in. The vary thing they ran from they began practicing. Their God was greed and a need to appear as a God. Their ancestors are gone to give an account to The Judge, it's to late for them. But it's not too late for the perpetuators to repent and stop living the life that is respector of persons.
Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: PenelopePitStop on 10/24/2006 at 1:03 PM
'Diatribe' is Eric's middle name by the look of this.

Okay, Eric. This year, in Denver, the Columbus Day Parade was led by the 3rd Cavalry, on horseback, in full cavalry uniform. The same 3rd Cavalry who appeared behind Geoge Bush in one of his many 'let's get the evildoers' public addresses from ______ fill in the blank for army base. This is the same division of the cavalry that carried out the Sand Creek massacre, and whose brave and courageous soldiers tore babies from pregnant women's bellies, cut out their vaginas and wore them over their hats, and generally had themselves a ball. ANY argument that this holiday is anything other than a political statement is bogus and frankly, laughable.

As for Pinochet. I have a friend who is married to a Chilean exile. He and his family are Machupe Indians. They committed the offense of supporting Pinochet's political opponent who had stated that if he came to power he would make effort to return some of the Machupe homelands back to the Indians. Him, his brother, cousin and father were dragged from their beds and taken to a holding jail where they were systematically beaten and shot. They were then dumped back at their home where they were given two hours to gather their family and their worldly possessions and leave Chile. They had their passports and papers taken from them and were escorted to the border. They fled the country and lived in Europe as exiles until Pinochet was overthrown.

Use that Ivy League education to actually learn something of your country's history - social, chronoligical, cultural and imperialistic. Otherwise, you amount to nothing more than yet another right wing dolt espousing hate and pompousity.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: LenevaGeorge on 10/24/2006 at 1:05 PM
Very amusing. How Mr. Shive can be so arrogant and sarcastic when the facts are bought into the light. No the white man did not teach us to kill but we reached a point where our people were probably glad to kill them. This article is the very sign of someone who is of European descent and of someone who needs more education before he opens his little mouth to speak big. The ndn people were not the one's who started killing first for something that will never be theirs. The land belongs to God the Creator and you may feel all powerful owning it and putting aprice on it but you like all your ancestors cannot take it with you. You have desecrated this land and with your white supremacist attitude you have won nothing. He mentions that we view the white/European culture as blood thirsty, that's only one thing, I can name other things we call them. Evil, Greedy, Conniving, Manipulative, Deceivers, Rapers, Murderers, Oppressers, Liars, Cheaters, Stealers, the list can go on forever. I just ask that he does not cry about these names cause they are all stating the truth.
Mr. Shive attacks the outer appearance of native women, yet does not produce a picture of himself, especially with all the ill words he has to share. If I was as petty as him I could say more if I wanted to lower myself to his level.
Mr. Shive does not know about the many tribes instead lumps us all together by the color of our skin. Very ignorant and superficial, he had to learn that from somewhere, hmmmmm, I wonder where. Talk about brainwashing.
War was not started by the ndn, we already had everything we wanted. Now who are the people living in the flesh and being all materialistic.
Mr. Shive talks about bringing the light into t his country. God brought the light to this world, is Mr. Shive placing himself in the position of God. Looks like he wants us all to worship him and bow down to his feet and give him praise. God comes to us where we are, Mr. Shive has never been to a reservation.
Go ahead, Mr. Shive, and rally your white supremacist groups. We will see what God has in store for you.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Rob Schmidt on 10/24/2006 at 2:05 PM
Good responses to Shive. See "The Myth of Western Superiority" (http://www.bluecorncomics.com/westmyth.htm) and "A Columbus Day Rant" (http://www.bluecorncomics.com/columbus.htm) for more on the subject.

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Re: Rob Schmidt on 10/24/2006 at 2:05 PM
By: tsehtua lan'ii on 10/24/2006 at 3:11 PM
Sounds like Eric Shive wants attention. But I'm sure mommy ain't there to hold his hand. Cuz' he's a grown-up and is going to school in college. Well, just wait a few more years Mr Shive, maybe you will learn and maybe not. It's all up to you. So far, it doesn't sound like you've been paying attention. Maybe if someone had yanked you by the ears or whacked your hands with a ruler in elementary school, you may have wondered why they hate you. But no, I'm sure you did not grow up on a reservation in the good old u.s.a.. So you actually haven't learned anything yet.
But I didn't grow up as a mommas's boy, so I don't understand your rage at indians demonstarting their discontent with your boy Chris's legacy. All I can say is, if the truth hurts, then maybe you should invest some time and learn more about it and try to see the others' point of view. And that requires an open mind and an honorable heart. ... ?? weEEell .. maybe you should wait a few years. Because I don't see those qualities inherant within your above rant.
Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: JakeAl on 10/24/2006 at 2:55 PM
I am American Indian, in what I have written below, I do not claim to speak for anyone but myself.

I am so sick of having to address you right wing ignoramus hate mongers. This article has nothing to do with Columbus but is simply a vehicle to promote White Supremacy. The tone and purpose of this entire paper hearkens back to the imagined good old days when White Supremacy was the norm of the day, when killing the Indians was a virtue and the harvest of racist America was the "Strange Fruit" fruit hanging in the south and planted by the KKK. Frankly, America has never been what it claims to be. I have been told that we simply have to let the racists and bigots die off but I can see that legacy of White Supremacy will live on as long as educational institutions such as Cornell promote and cloak racism in the garb of Academia and drape that cloak about young students such as the one who wrote this article.

First of all, Europeans had no business here in our home to begin with. If I break into your home to murder you and steal what is yours, does that not make me a murderer and thief? To a White Supremacist, it is divinely inspired to invade and exploit a country of darker skinned people and the victims are considered devils when they resist. To a White Supremacist, it is deviltry when his lands or rights are invaded or attacked but it is a divine thing when they do it to others. According to the American constitution, because of the nearly 400 broken treaties, Euro Americans are still illegally squatting on our lands.

The bloodthirsty injustice and thieving agendas that self righteous jackass's justify as God's Will is falsehood, a fallacy. The benefactors of centuries of White Supremacy, in regards to American Indians, continue to conveniently distort, suppress or ignore the truth in their courts, constitution, media and educational institutions simply to maintain their power. To justify murder and theft of Native America, Euro-Americans have claimed that such criminality was divinely willed. Euro-Americans made up a policy they called manifest destiny and used that self proclaimed Euro-America divinity to commit genocide and authorize subsequent policies of egregious injustice upon millions of indigenous people over hundreds of years and continuing into the present.

Phony courts and unjust laws have legitimized and legalized all the evil that has been done to Native Americans. Such actions do not comprise justice but are simply fabrications of White Supremacy. What a fantastic and blatant lie that colonial rationalization is. Americans have been given a snow job instead of the truth. Americans have been psychologically programming and brainwashed into considering themselves a benevolent entity when the facts of the matter demonstrate malevolence and dark force behind their actions of in their conquest of the Americas and now the other powerless human beings that they bully world-wide. Today those same White Supremacist ideas are expressed around the world in the imperialistic wars, propaganda and invasions that America wages against Iraq, Iran and any other nation with resources that the rich and powerful wish to exploit. As in the past, and now in the present, those who Euro-American governments attack and invade, they demonize and create havoc and chaos in the citizenry still claiming such actions have something to do with democracy and God. "American Idiots" is the title of a song. I suspect that the song was meant to define what it is that this society too often turns out through the media and propaganda disguised as education.

Cannibalism, every part of the world has known this in one form or another. If fact, America itself is a cannibal, having eaten and exploited the body of Native America. The Plymouth colony had cannibals as well. The 1619 Journals of the House of Burgesses of Virginia reads:

"driven through insufferable hunger to eat those things which nature most abhorred, the flesh and excrements of man as well of our own nation as of an Indian, digged by some out of his grave after he had been lain buried three days and wholly devoured him; others, envying the better state of body of any whom hunger has not yet so much wasted as their own, lay wait and threatened to kill and eat them; one among them slew his wife as she slept in his bosom, cut her into pieces, salted her and fed upon her till he had clean devoured all parts saving her head"

The author of this ignorant piece of trash is simply a clone created by and coming out of the hive of Idiot America and certainly not educated.

I say to the author of this tripe, "NAZI youth go home and take your Columbus lies with you."


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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: JakeAl on 10/24/2006 at 3:27 PM
I am American Indian, in what I have written below, I do not claim to speak for anyone but myself.

I am so sick of having to address you right wing ignoramus hate mongers. This article has nothing to do with Columbus but is simply a vehicle to promote White Supremacy. The tone and purpose of this entire paper hearkens back to the imagined good old days when White Supremacy was the norm of the day, when killing the Indians was a virtue and the harvest of racist America was the "Strange Fruit" fruit hanging in the south and planted by the KKK. Frankly, America has never been what it claims to be. I have been told that we simply have to let the racists and bigots die off but I can see that legacy of White Supremacy will live on as long as educational institutions such as Cornell promote and cloak racism in the garb of Academia and drape that cloak about young students such as the one who wrote this article.

First of all, Europeans had no business here in our home to begin with. If I break into your home to murder you and steal what is yours, does that not make me a murderer and thief? To a White Supremacist, it is divinely inspired to invade and exploit a country of darker skinned people and the victims are considered devils when they resist. To a White Supremacist, it is deviltry when his lands or rights are invaded or attacked but it is a divine thing when they do it to others. According to the American constitution, because of the nearly 400 broken treaties, Euro Americans are still illegally squatting on our lands.

The bloodthirsty injustice and thieving agendas that self righteous jackass's justify as God's Will is falsehood, a fallacy. The benefactors of centuries of White Supremacy, in regards to American Indians, continue to conveniently distort, suppress or ignore the truth in their courts, constitution, media and educational institutions simply to maintain their power. To justify murder and theft of Native America, Euro-Americans have claimed that such criminality was divinely willed. Euro-Americans made up a policy they called manifest destiny and used that self proclaimed Euro-America divinity to commit genocide and authorize subsequent policies of egregious injustice upon millions of indigenous people over hundreds of years and continuing into the present.

Phony courts and unjust laws have legitimized and legalized all the evil that has been done to Native Americans. Such actions do not comprise justice but are simply fabrications of White Supremacy. What a fantastic and blatant lie that colonial rationalization is. Americans have been given a snow job instead of the truth. Americans have been psychologically programming and brainwashed into considering themselves a benevolent entity when the facts of the matter demonstrate malevolence and dark force behind their actions of in their conquest of the Americas and now the other powerless human beings that they bully world-wide. Today those same White Supremacist ideas are expressed around the world in the imperialistic wars, propaganda and invasions that America wages against Iraq, Iran and any other nation with resources that the rich and powerful wish to exploit. As in the past, and now in the present, those who Euro-American governments attack and invade, they demonize and create havoc and chaos in the citizenry still claiming such actions have something to do with democracy and God. "American Idiots" is the title of a song. I suspect that the song was meant to define what it is that this society too often turns out through the media and propaganda disguised as education.

Cannibalism, every part of the world has known this in one form or another. If fact, America itself is a cannibal, having eaten and exploited the body of Native America. The Plymouth colony had cannibals as well. The 1619 Journals of the House of Burgesses of Virginia reads:

"driven through insufferable hunger to eat those things which nature most abhorred, the flesh and excrements of man as well of our own nation as of an Indian, digged by some out of his grave after he had been lain buried three days and wholly devoured him; others, envying the better state of body of any whom hunger has not yet so much wasted as their own, lay wait and threatened to kill and eat them; one among them slew his wife as she slept in his bosom, cut her into pieces, salted her and fed upon her till he had clean devoured all parts saving her head"

The author of this ignorant piece of trash is simply a clone created by and coming out of the hive of Idiot America and certainly not educated.

I say to the author of this tripe, "NAZI youth go home and take your Columbus lies with you."


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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Judith Ann Hawkins on 10/24/2006 at 3:29 PM
What a racist article! Wake up to the fact that you people are unwelcome overstayers and the ones in the wrong! You are living in the home country of the Indigenous peoples of America! How would you like it if, it had happened to you in your country? You people would probably have squealed the loudest at the injustice!The sooner, racist people like you are dealt with by God, the better off the innocent will be!
American Indians knew how to appreciate all that the great Creator gave them to survive! Why is it that people like you are destroying all their natural resources! Idiots, that is why! Leave our American Indian brothers and sisters alone. When will you be satisfied? When will you repay to them what is owed to them! Food for thought!

"United We Stand Against Injustices of this system"
"A New World is Coming"!
Rangimarie(Peace)
Naku noa
Judith Ann Hawkins

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Re: Judith Ann Hawkins on 10/24/2006 at 3:29 PM
By: Wolfsraven on 10/27/2006 at 8:33 AM
AAAIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE! You tell him Sis! AHO! All the whites know is what they read in their history books written by other whites. To learn the TRUTH, you have to go beneath the LIES!
Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Gerald Strong on 10/24/2006 at 4:31 PM
This article is rediculous. There is no use in reasoning with this character. He is obviously a "republican christian", and his religion is to not accept others. I was reading about him and his 1st amendment rights, and he uses it to be able to be racist to other cultures in a formal way. Anyways, he is writing this article because he feels like he will run for some kind of office someday and has to make a point on how hard he has studied and he must know his hate against other races will make him very popular amongst the other hate mongers. Apparently, Everyone that has not come from the western civilization are savages, and the past hanging of "witches" must be civil in his eyes. He fails to realize that we are different than centuries ago and his point is moot nowadays. Another thing, why should Indians be thanking columbus when he brought so much white greed to Native peoples(as in gambling ventures) ?Little does he and other christians know that there is no such thing as a god. How ridiculous is it that people think there is one being that "created" everything? I will be laughing at him in his next lifetime when he comes back as an indigenous person. He is an "educated" fool.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: E. G. Burton on 10/24/2006 at 6:07 PM
Well, the "gentleman" must have a hot bottom, with the fire lit under him. His attitude is evidently part of a hard-right political position on a number of issues. It is not necessary to jump on Christianity to make the point that Columbus' conduct on later voyages makes him a bad actor. Spain in the Caribbean and later elsewhere was arrogant beyond any bounds of civilized behavior, and brutal to the indigenous who had welcomed the Spaniards at first. Some of us have been Christians since the early 1600's, and as far as I am concerned four hundred years is enough time to become traditional. The Church of today is not the Church of Spain in those days.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Martin KnifeChief on 10/24/2006 at 7:00 PM
Mr. Eric Shive...............
I have read what you have said and I can see that this racial attack on the true "owners" of this country is ridiculous! I have studied long on these things and, even being of Native decent myself, I have grown up with the poverty and stories of my Grandmother, who slept under newspapers to keep warm when they had no means of fire when it was 65 below zero!
I have heard the stories of our fellow people, the Cheyenne and what was done by a, so-called "Christian" and his men at Sand Creek. We have become economic slaves, making others super rich in this country and we are supposed to be grateful? I can live without your Walmarts, fast food, automobiles and other garbage!! There is a ship waiting for you at the harbor.....get on it and go the hell back to Europe!!!

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Nolan Scaperotti on 10/24/2006 at 7:46 PM
Hahahahahaha looks like we struck a nerve.

You people really love to throw around the terms "hate speech," White Supremacist" and "racist," especially "racist." It's the label you give to anyone who makes an argument you deem to be controversial.

Do you even know what racist means?

Where in this article does Eric say that American Indians are inherently inferior to anybody else?

He merely points out that the pre-Columbian native culture wasn't as innocent as we're told (note that there is nothing inherent about culture). Yes many natives were slaughtered by colonists (they already were being slaughtered by each other), and many colonists were slaughtered also. But as a result of colonization, Western Civilization has flourished on this continent and the world is better for it.

Does this article mean Eric hates Native Americans and thinks they're less than the white man? Of course it doesn't. Does it mean that he thinks (rightfully) that Western culture was much more advanced and civilized than that of the indigenous people? Of course.

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Re: Nolan Scaperotti on 10/24/2006 at 7:46 PM
By: Sheila Williams on 10/26/2006 at 11:14 PM

O'siyo Nolan Scaperotti you are very,very wrong in everything you speak,your European "civilization"was nothing but a dirty tight minded peoples who thought it a sin to bathe.Your "Crowns" thought it disgraceful that our peoples bathed daily,the Queen of Spain stating she had bathed twice in her life time,the day of birth,and her wedding day and that was quite enough for any lifetime. Your kind brought nothing to this whole world but death and destruction with your "Christianity" the bloodiest religion of any time Era. You forced this on the children of the peoples of this country,holding them hostage so their parents would not fight back. Abusing,raping,and killing inocent children in the name of "GOD",and in your little minds felt justified you were "Civilizing" the savages. Is this that you taught us what you wish done to your own little children? You want them dragged from their homes,away from you and forced to learn a forign language,a forign religion,made into little slaves,starved,beaten,and sexually abused? You are a strange people to want such for your children,but surely you must you did this to ours and think we owe you thanks. You defend a man filled with hatred for something he does not understand,and yet you understand no better. This country is the most hated in the whole world,called murders,rapists,thieves,invaders,and greedy liars. Is that what you are so very proud of? I will be praying for your healing,along with your friend,not something you are familiar with but still Creator loves all His children,even the ignorant!
granny!
Re: Nolan Scaperotti on 10/24/2006 at 7:46 PM
By: Rob Schmidt on 12/18/2006 at 8:28 PM
Re "Where in this article does Eric say that American Indians are inherently inferior to anybody else?"

Since Western civilization meant white civilization for most of its history, each of the following five sentences is racist:

"But for all of the trials and tribulations the Americas have experienced since Columbus’s arrival, all of its people have benefited from the gift of Western civilization that was brought to its shores. The redeeming power of Christianity was passed on to millions who had been living in the darkness of pagan superstition. The political, technological, medical, and economic advances of the West have benefited all peoples living in North in South America.

"In short, the Indian activists who rallied on Ho Plaza should instead be thanking Christopher Columbus and his European successors for bestowing upon them the fruits of Western Civilization. Without those dead white males there would be no United States of America; no Cornell University; no Ho Plaza; no microphone and speakers to amplify the Indian activists’ rants; and no proud descendants of the brave European settlers to call them out on their lies."

Any other questions?
Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: W.L. Powless on 10/24/2006 at 8:14 PM
"The event began with some ritual chanting—perhaps to keep the rain god away on such an overcast and ominous-looking afternoon. Unfortunately, the rest of the rally was much less exciting. There was no tomahawk throwing contest, no make-up-your-own dreamcatcher game, and no Sugarhill Gang’s “Apache” playing in the background. Instead, there was a libel throwing contest, a make-up-your-own genocide game, and incomprehensible chanting in the background."

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This statement is one of the most foolish repulsive things I have ever read.

Your whole point is missed somewhere in the middle of your immature rant and ignorant description of the people holding the rally.

Your blog means absolutely nothing as you know nothing of the people you speak, all this blog proves is that free speech is alive and well and "anyone" just anyone can write a piece of worthless rubbish like you have done.

Next time you want to demean Native Americans/American Indians try learning a little about them, like say reading up on US Indian Policy or Genocide first. Agree??

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: JakeAl on 10/24/2006 at 11:55 PM
This whole ignorant and insensitive piece of trash article suggests that Indians are inferior and Euro-Americans then must be.. superior.. For you juvenile ignoramus's who wrote this.. that is racism. You of course are probably too stupid to know that. Your are institutionally racists as well as blatantly racists

Racism definitions
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Racism or racialism is a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. Racism may be expressed individually and consciously, through explicit thoughts, feelings, or acts, or socially and unconsciously, through institutions that promote inequality between races.
www.kids.net.au/encyclopedia-wiki/ra/Racism

(Audre Lorde): The inherent belief in the superiority of one race over all others and thereby the right to dominance.
www.uihome.uidaho.edu/default.aspx

The belief that one 'racial group' is inferior to another and the practices of the dominant group to maintain the inferior position of the dominated group. Often defined as a combination of power, prejudice and discrimination.
www.bl.uk/services/learning/curriculum/voices/refglos.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-13,GGLD:en&defl=en&q=define:Racism&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

Unquote.

Every one of the 20 definitions of racism applies to this White Supremacist and racist article and the shallow attempts to defend it by this particular group of privileged but ignorant children who attend Cornell. I cannot believe that Cornell supports this as they are complicit is supporting racism by doing so..

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Re: JakeAl on 10/24/2006 at 11:55 PM
By: Nolan Scaperotti on 10/25/2006 at 10:00 PM
All of those definitions about racism you posted have to do with the belief that some group is inherently inferior to another. This is never written, nor suggested, you just think it is. There is no racism, get over it.

I know you love to think that we prance around in White sheets glorifying the White man and scheming for the demise of the non-White man, whichever form of non-White he may be. Sorry to disappoint, but it doesn't happen. Listen, we don't care what color you are, as long as you don't do things we don't like. There are plenty of White people we don't like for the same reasons we don't like you. It's not about what color you are, it's about what you do. C'mon, you should know that.

Also, clean up your English before calling me stupid.
Re: JakeAl on 10/24/2006 at 11:55 PM
By: Nolan Scaperotti on 10/25/2006 at 10:02 PM
Correction: We don't care what color you are, at all, ever, don't care don't care don't care don't care.
Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Gerald Strong on 10/25/2006 at 12:39 AM
Well...As I see it, striking a nerve shouldn't be a reason to write a paper that puts another race of people down. I mean, I don't know what Mr. Shive hopes to prove with this. Obviously, everyone knows that western civilization was, and is, more advanced then others(except the Far Eastern countries). But, his wording is and was very innappropriate. His article was meant to put down indian people. With lesser people writing commments such as " we must have struck a nerve", may I ask....what do you hope to accomplish? You are adding to the "us verses them" that this whole thing has reallly come down to, which really boils down to a form of rasicm. On top of that, I read Mr. Shive's article on Hurricane Katrina and see that he has issues with other races. I don't don't mind reading his mumbo jumbo, but I do mind a person like him getting into media and using the 1st amendment rights as a tool to talk down on other kinds of races.

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Re: Gerald Strong on 10/25/2006 at 12:39 AM
By: Sheila Williams on 10/26/2006 at 11:48 PM

It is not "Obvious" to me that Western "Civilization"was ever more advanced than my peoples were,we simply saw the world in a different way. Not how fast we could use up her resources,but how could we give back as much as we took!
granny!
Re: Gerald Strong on 10/25/2006 at 12:39 AM
By: Nolan Scaperotti on 10/28/2006 at 5:06 PM
His article was meant to put down another race? I wasn't aware that you're able to see inside his mind and read his intentions. I guess I am a lesser person if you can do that and I can't.
Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Huria Tahu on 10/25/2006 at 1:26 AM
Silly Silly little man..you are ignorant and arrogant and silly little men like you always get their come-uppance..Your words are the words of fear and you should be afraid cos now you have set the wheels in motion..Your wagon wheels that is..and your wagon is gonna burn to the ground all because you are stupid..

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Geyatahi on 10/25/2006 at 6:51 AM
I also have read Mr Shive's article and to me he loves to knock down people of different races and especially Native American Indians who had this country first and welcomed the Europeans only to be raped,killed and have lands stolen because of greed so who survived fought back but in the end the result was putting our ancestors on Rezervations and told what to do when and what to eat in hopes of wiping out the Native Indian race but it didnt work now we have alot of biggot people starting up again with racial slurrsand there isnt any nerves hit at all it just proved to me what kind of ignorant people you are but we are coming back and our voices are just starting to be heard and we all will get alot louder by the way I am a Native American Indian, I am Cherokee from the Carolina's

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Kerrin Hölper on 10/25/2006 at 7:55 AM
It is astonishing, how someone who has no glim about a culture or religion is allowed to spit out such a crap. This is nothing more than a racist article.

As a European I have to say, I feel ashamed for this man. Someone wrote he should go over to here. Please not, we try to live in peace with all kind of man and cultures. We just built up a unity and learned about tolerance and respect and had hard times to get the Nazis out of Europe. And we don`t need KK`s or rednecks anymore.

Here a short history lesson for you, the Vikings were the first white people who steped on your shores, not Columbus. So there is for sure no reason to celebrate that man. What would you think about a Hitler or Stalin Day????? Or maybe a Mussolini Day, or a Franko Day. Why not celebrate a Manslaughter Day?

Beside that, your white ancestors left Europe, cuz of racism, poverty and religious intolerance. They wanted a better life and now it seems, like their descendants pass on the bad things. Noone from the first white settlers would have survived without the help of Indigenous Nations, not one winter. You all should be grateful for their kindness instead of terrorizing them again and again. How much blood is already on your hands? How can you be proud on what was done to your rescuers and still becomes done? How can you face Creator one day without shame?

The article is everything, but sure not leading to peace, respect and tolerance. As long as there are people allowed to publish this kind of racist articles, there won`t be peace on Earth.

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Re: Kerrin Hölper on 10/25/2006 at 7:55 AM
By: Josh on 11/10/2006 at 12:45 PM
The significance is not that Columbus was the first European to discover America. Though the Vikings discovered it roughly 500 years prior to Columbus, the Viking settlements in Vinland were wiped out. Central and Southern Europeans did not know of the Viking settlements, hence the hindering belief at the time that the world a direct route across the Atlantic could possibly take sailors to Asia.

After Columbus discovered America, travel became more frequent and steady. Thus, the credit is given to him.
Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Heather Olsen on 10/25/2006 at 5:03 PM
Why doesn't this article suprise me? I'll tell you why. I grew up in Los Angeles, but now live in South Dakota where racism reigns supreme against the Native Americans and now that I have overcome the shock and disbelief that this really IS America and racism is still very much alive and well... NOTHING suprises me anymore. This is just another credit advancement on the RACE CARD...When will you people realise that card has been maxed out?

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Rodney Dreaming Badger Cook on 10/25/2006 at 8:44 PM
First of all, I think you are a bit short sighted when you apparently believe
that all Indigenous American tribal nations have big money reaping casinoes. Fact is; a far greater majority of them do not,and are actually very close to, if not even worse than third world nations.
Then you say the Indigenous American peoples should be thankful to
Christopher Columbus. For what?? Dyptheria,Disentary,Smallpox,grave robbery,being made slaves? Yeah,BIG THANKS!! NOT!!
I also object to the lie that Columbus discovered "America". The only thing he discovered was that he was LOST,and accidently came to land on El Salvador and a couple other Carribbean islands. Also to be truthful,there were many from across the "Big Waters", who came to this continent
long before Christopher Columbus was in his mother's womb. Lief Ericson comes to mind.


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Re: Rodney Dreaming Badger Cook on 10/25/2006 at 8:44 PM
By: Nolan Scaperotti on 10/25/2006 at 10:16 PM
"First of all, I think you are a bit short sighted when you apparently believe
that all Indigenous American tribal nations have big money reaping casinoes. Fact is; a far greater majority of them do not"

Obviously nobody believes that. Why can't anybody take a joke? Everytime a joke is made about a stereotype of some group you freak out and claim we believe ALL people of this group satisfy the stereotype. Stop being so afraid to laugh, and take the statement for what it is, a harmless joke (unless words break your bones--in which case grow some balls).

Alright now I gotta go wipe Dante Meatball's blood off my Guinea tee and clean up my Joe Dimaggio baseball bat. Got a problem wit dat?
Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: JakeAl on 10/26/2006 at 1:58 PM
In the above post, which I made in haste, the weight of my grammatical errors is negligible. Your institutionally programmed racism is internalized, based on ignorance and certainly not intelligent or educated.

Then you try to validate and legitimize your racist proclamations here as if they were a joke. Racism is not a joke except to racists, juvenile or otherwise, who apparently are given the free rein and opportunity to bash minorities and misrepresent the truth via this blog which Cornell sponsors.

You try to make the issue about my spelling but the issue is the offensive and ignorant display on this webpage that is hosted by an educational institution. Cornell is complicit in encouraging racism for allowing these racists statements to stand.

It may be freedom of speech, the article posted here, but it is also a demonstration of Cornell's sympathy with racism and the educational institution's failure to educate the students .

By allowing this blog to stand, Cornell is allowing neo-racists the opportunity to spread their wings and spout insensitive bigoted anti Indian remarks as well as apparently sanctioning a continued and enhanced legacy of institutionalized racism of Euro-Americans via the youth.

This promotion of racist denigration of American Indian people demonstrates the falseness of Cornell's pretense towards diversity and inclusiveness. This blog personifies the racist viewpoint that Americans need only include American Indian people when they comply with and identify the master race as superior and themselves as lesser.

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"Cornell endorsed the Statement on Diversity and Inclusiveness, "Open Doors, Open Hearts, and Open Minds," and the university is developing a new University Diversity Plan with dozens of recommendations for improving diversity on campus."
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Cornell, my heart is opened to speak by my life experience as an Indian person and student of American Indian history. My heart and eyes are opened to speak against you through the vehicle of this article and blog and to address you as protectors and promoters of racist ignorance.

JakeAl

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: JakeAl on 10/26/2006 at 2:05 PM
In the above post, which I made in haste, the weight of my grammatical errors is negligible. Your institutionally programmed racism is internalized, based on ignorance and certainly not intelligent or educated.

Then you try to validate and legitimize your racist proclamations here as if they were a joke. Racism is not a joke except to racists, juvenile or otherwise, who apparently are given the free rein and opportunity to bash minorities and misrepresent the truth via this blog which Cornell sponsors.

You try to make the issue about my spelling but the issue is the offensive and ignorant display on this webpage that is hosted by an educational institution. Cornell is complicit in encouraging racism for allowing these racists statements to stand.

It may be freedom of speech, the article posted here, but it is also a demonstration of Cornell's sympathy with racism and the educational institution's failure to educate the students .

By allowing this blog to stand, Cornell is allowing neo-racists the opportunity to spread their wings and spout insensitive bigoted anti Indian remarks as well as apparently sanctioning a continued and enhanced legacy of institutionalized racism of Euro-Americans via the youth.

This promotion of racist denigration of American Indian people demonstrates the falseness of Cornell's pretense towards diversity and inclusiveness. This blog personifies the racist viewpoint that Americans need only include American Indian people when they comply with and identify the master race as superior and themselves as lesser.

Quote:
"Cornell endorsed the Statement on Diversity and Inclusiveness, "Open Doors, Open Hearts, and Open Minds," and the university is developing a new University Diversity Plan with dozens of recommendations for improving diversity on campus."
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Cornell, my heart is opened to speak by my life experience as an Indian person and student of American Indian history. My heart and eyes are opened to speak against you through the vehicle of this article and blog and to address you as protectors and promoters of racist ignorance.

JakeAl

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Sheila Williams on 10/26/2006 at 8:45 PM
To the man who wrote this article I say to you as an elderly Tsalagi woman,why are you so young filled with hatred for my peoples when you have shown in your article you know nothing of the truth. And I speak not of your twisted European outlook or views as to what you think you know,perhaps our homelands were not Utopia as your kind would see it. We had no streets of gold,in truth we do not want them would far rather have Mother Earth beneath our feet. What has my kind done to you that you feel this way,eh? As for me your kind burned my great great grandfather and two sons to death within the cabin they did not wish to give to white men,they raped my four year old greatgrandmother,hanged her eight year old brother for fighting them off her and his mother who had given birth just six weeks earlier.The soldier he killed protecting them used his horse to stomp the brains from that six week old with the white farmers yelling kill all them nits too they grow up to be injuns. That four year old walked to Oklahoma barefooted in the snow,lost two toes from one foot,three from the other from frost bite,they called her Little Bird because she hopped instead of walking after that. Both of her parents died upon that evil trail of baby tears,and still she raised my grandmother to believe in love and beauty in all colors of people,that forgivness was important to her own soul. Those "chantings" you so make fun of are called prayers,my friend,we say them often through every single day,not just one day a week and then spew filth and hatred the rest. I greet each rising sun with prayers singing my joy to be alive,even though my own first born son was murdered by white supremists at the age of twenty for no more crime than being an "injun"born.My mother was raped at the age of twelve years by white men,my oldest brother a half blood that she could not bear to look at,her life was ruined by the hurt,hatred,and pain because she was an "injun" girl and so who cared what happen to her,eh? Only because of the love and strength of my grandmother am I alive today to tell you,hatred kills first the one who holds it dear,release the hatred child,learn the truth of this Nation and her First Peoples,and live a truly free life. I am deeply sorry for you that no one in your life cared enough to teach you the truth about the genocide that happened in this country,happens still today,every day in our lives. As to your reference to the South Americans eating those people,reread your own words,what is it do you think Conquistodor means?One who conquers yes,if you thought they would eat you perhaps they would stay away in their own country where they belonged and leave ours alone. Homeland Security is not for whites alone,we fought in any way we could,we were out gunned and if you think you would sit quietly and say oh,my you came to conquer my lands well go right ahead we do not blame you a bit ,oh yes take everything you want,kill our men,our old ones rape all the women and little girls you want here let me help you,does that make sense to you? It would make none to me,nor to any one who loved their country. You sir are a hipocrit and show not how cute or witty you are,but rather bigotry compounded by ignorance!
granny!
wredgranny814@aol.com


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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Pam Klipp on 10/26/2006 at 9:59 PM
What in the world goes on in your head Mr. Shive? Tell me, does anyone ever mix you up with Archie Bunker? And to think we are all related...yikes.

Mr. Shive, are you not supposed to check facts before you print a story? I ask this because your story is full of lies and deceitfulness.

Pagan? We are some of the most spiritual people you could ever meet. We start the day by praying and we give thanks continually throughout the day. I am sorry for you and guess what? I am Cherokee and proud of it. I will be praying for you Mr. Shive.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Sheila Williams on 10/26/2006 at 11:39 PM
We were infact creating beauty long before your kind came and destroyed what you did not understand,if you could not eat,wear,or spend it it meant nothing. Your kind is the same today,still trying to find mysteries in what we have known always,trying to understand what we will never tell you!

http://www.red-coral/Amer.html

http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html

http://www.sacred-texts.com/num/cher/cbp/cbp.htm

http://ishgooda.org/racial/holid6t.htm

http://www.nps.gov/efmo/historyculture/effigy-moundbuilders.htm

http://www.forgottenoh.com/Counties/Adam/serpent.html

perhaps it is time to learn?

granny!



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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: j-loa on 10/27/2006 at 2:07 AM
my poor misguided uninformed little boy. it is quite obvious you excelled in recess. might i suggest you take a course in history that gives you all the facts....and this time pay attention!!! it is undeniable you know very little of what you are touting. are you aware columbus did not discover america....it is not called christopher nor is it called columbus now is it. are you aware of the type of people that came over on the mayflower??? the majority were escaping prison sentences and or death. basically your everyday outcasts looking for a safe haven. then they began applying the same laws, and worse, that they were fleeing.
thanksgiving was not a happy sharing of people but a celebration of slaughter.
do some research and LEARN WHY tribes battled each other. IT CERTAINLY WAS NOT FOR SPORT NOR WAS IT AN ATTEMPT TO CONQUER AND RULE ANYONE. learn something...anything. look deeper than just an extreme remote glance at the truth.
might i suggest when you get down on your knees and pray you ask for guidance and the ability to pay attention next time someone tries to teach you something. you are a racist egotistical little bully with no shame, not to mention a major lack of courage to actually learn the truth of what you are speaking. perhaps it would have done you more good to actually listen to the speakers than to devise a way to show your ignorance.......on paper no less!!!
if would not surprise me if, somewhere way back, one of your ancestors was a chief or an indian princess. now.....go figure that one out.

j

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Deseroka Littlewing on 10/27/2006 at 8:25 AM
I can't even read the entire article, it is so obscene. This guy is teaching at what is supposed to be one of the finest teaching institutions in America? What is he teaching? Hate and predijuce?
Not only did he insult the First People, but also the Italian Americans.
Mr. Shive, haven't you read enough in your studies to realize that none of the American Indians want people to think we are all like a Disney movie? Does the public really believe that without the infiltration of the Euroepeans that we would have just faltered and died off?
Let me ask you this Mr. Shive:
When you speak of Kristallnacht do you assume that the Jewish population is better off because of the genocide perpetuated by Hitler?
When the black people celebrate their heritage in February, or mention the atrocities against them, do you think "Well, they are better off than they would have been in the jungles"?
I'm glad you are not teaching my children.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Deseroka Littlewing on 10/27/2006 at 8:34 AM
I correct myself, I got so irate at this stupid idiotic article that I totally garbled my thoughts. I wanna know who is teaching this young man? Surely this is not stuff he learned at Cornell?

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Sandi Perry on 10/27/2006 at 11:21 AM
I have thought for several days about how to best respond to this..and after much thought I realized that any response I might have is unlikely to make any difference in how this young man thinks...being blissfully ignorant is much more comfortable than learning the uncomfortable truth..because when one learns the truth we often feel it necessary to share it. To share truth means that one must admit their prior lies; but just in case Mr. Shive might one day wish to learn the truth ,I'd recommend that he find and read ...RETHINKING COLUMBUS,THE AMERICAN HOLOCAUST,and Howard Zinn's A PEOPLE'S HISTORY. I don't think anyone could come away from reading these(there are many others) and not feel shocked by their former ignorance. And,just perhaps,rather than just reading books perhaps Mr. Shive might find the occasion to actually speak with some real people who know the truth because it is their history!

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Alec Watsonson on 10/27/2006 at 12:29 PM
Ummm I think you all kind of missed the point of this article so let me spell it out for you:
1. Columbus was no gem.
2. The natives were no gems.
3. A lot of people got killed on both sides.
4. Europeans didn't practice ritual human sacrifice.
5. It might just happen to be a good thing that the Europeans came, less it still be practiced today.

Conclusion: Your argument that Columbus was the Great Satan (after Bush I assume, of course) is detracted from because you do not recognize that your people might have been the most ideal group of individuals. For example, it seems that both sides murdered women and children. You don't see me out there protesting Native American Apreciation Day.

As for calling the author racist, you all are a group to speak. You attack everyone of European descent who dares to imply that maybe you're ancestry wasn't perfect. Oh and for the record, we might have a twisted, European outlook on history, but you MIGHT, just MIGHT, have a twisted Native American outlook on history. And, by the way, you should probably consider the fact that you might have an even bigger superiority complex than most people of European descent.

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Re: Alec Watsonson on 10/27/2006 at 12:29 PM
By: Judith Ann Hawkins on 10/31/2006 at 2:23 AM
Tell me something please. Why did your ancestors leave your home country? Where did your people originate from? Or were you homeless to start with and moved into America and bully the innocent around so you could have a home country??? Just wondering why you /or your ancestors moved to America in the 1st place???What was wrong with your country again, sorry??

"United We Stand Against Injustices of this system"
"A New World is Coming"!
Rangimarie(Peace)
Naku noa
Judith Ann Hawkins

Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: CallMeIshmael on 10/28/2006 at 4:22 AM
Anyone who reponded negatively,


You are aware that YOU HAVE TOTALLY FALLEN INTO THEIR TRAP, right?



Don't you think they WANT a lot of attention?


The reason Ane Coulter and Michael Moore are so successful is because the people who dislike them CANT STOP TALKING ABOUT THEM

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: wade crowe on 10/31/2006 at 5:40 PM
Eric Shive,
Are you proud of your wasicu blood? Have you taken enough fat? I bet you must be at least 400 lbs.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: IthacaConservative on 10/31/2006 at 10:43 PM
Yikes! Plenty of hate and racism coming from both sides on this one.

I thought Columbus Day was about celebrating Columbus, his voyage across the Atlantic, and subsequent discoveries. NOT everything that happened in the 400 yrs after...

Now, I understand how the holiday can be a platform for dialogue on American Indian history and the decline of Native American culture, etc. but, does it have to include all the baggage the author and commenters have brought along?

Come on people. This is not civil discourse. It's pathetic.

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Re: IthacaConservative on 10/31/2006 at 10:43 PM
By: TheKilla on 11/2/2006 at 5:55 PM
Screw civil discourse. In fact, screw discourse. You can't argue with these people. Yea, that's right - I said THESE people. And by that I mean Indians. And not the good ones either. I;m talkin about the ones that drink budweiser and say "nay" a lot. Columbus was awesome and if it wasn't for him this country would be about as civilized as africa. That's right, AFRICA. There would be no polio vaccine, no Wilt Chamberlain, the nazis would have overrun europe which means no jews which means no tax shelters which means all my money goes to the government, etc. etc. You get the point. Grow Up!!
Re: IthacaConservative on 10/31/2006 at 10:43 PM
By: Craig on 11/2/2006 at 5:58 PM
TheKilla's the man.
Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Debra White Plume on 11/3/2006 at 10:50 AM
Is this the kind of nitwit Cornell U is putting out? Isn't Cornell teaching their students the concept of social justice, including government honoring of Treaties? Human Rights? Columbus and the aftermath affects today include racism and other systems of oppression, institutional racism affects everyone including this guy. Has his education taught him to open minded? or just racist and oppressive?

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Codeman27 on 04/29/2007 at 10:29 PM
Ok TheKilla you seem to think that our people had no real culture whatsoever. Maybe we diddn't have large buildings or standing armies but that was simply because we diddn't need them. Ours is a very complex culture and was it's own civilization. Anyhow if there was no Mayflower to come and colonize America then history would be very different. There may very well have been no Hitler. I could go into further detail of how this would be but that could get very boring.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Jamie Elle Mann on 06/20/2007 at 11:34 PM
After reading the article, I checked the date it was written and I was surprised it wasn't April 1st. Nonetheless, this young man must be joking.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: Jamie Elle Mann on 06/20/2007 at 11:35 PM
After reading the article, I checked the date it was written and I was surprised it wasn't April 1st. Nonetheless, this young man must be joking.

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: T.M. on 06/21/2007 at 9:59 PM
Columbus is a false idol of the past and it's time to take this relic down off the pedestal and toss it in the garbage of "interpretations of history that are untruthful and do not serve humankind" where it belongs!

Published material such as this goes to show that too much education gets in the way of true learning. Hopefully someday it will be more than a mere handful of white, Euro-Immigrant Anglos (and other non-Indians) who are willing to stand up and speak out against the types of human rights abuses that are still perpetrated by their own government (and their own people at large) against those who were here on "North American" soil first.

I am a woman of Euro-Jewish descent who has been questioned repeatedly througout her life "what nationality/etnicity are you?" because of the texture of her hair and the shape of her body. Naturally, I find this question both indicative of poor/non-existant interpersonal manners and of a general ignorance on the part of the person doing the asking. I have been mistaken for black, Latino, New Yorker, Texan and probably a whole host of other things which, to my knowledge, I am not. Perhaps this is part of my growing sensitivity to the sorts of challenges and obstacles facing American Indians and their descendants to this very moment in time.

Mr. Shive, the content you have published here is so disgusting to me that I could not get past the first paragraph of your article. People of any skin color or racial persuasion who think and believe such as yourself remind me of the sort of person who would disturb me on the bus or in other public places just to ask what my ethnic heritage is. Or like the kind of person who is silly enough to approach someone of American Indian heritage and ask them about their blood quantum.

Please get to the nearest branch of your local library and find yourself a copy of Broken Rainbow. Granted it's over 20 years old and merely scratches the surface of the issues (and doesn't touch on the situations faced by people in Pine Ridge, South Dakota or other places in Indian Country - for that I recommend Lakota Woman: Siege at Wounded Knee, Incident at Oglala), but it will give you a better idea exactly what American Indian peoples are up against in today's world. My challenge to you, as someone who seems to be pitching themself as "a man of knowledge", is to watch the film in its entirety and ask yourself how you would feel, what you would think, and how you would respond were yourself and your kin on the receiving end of such calculatedly inhumane and intentionally genocidal treatment. If you're not sufficiently moved to tears and/or white-knuckled moral and humanitarian outrage by the time the credits roll, then you most assuredly are not in possession of a heart or a soul, in which case there is little hope for you as a human being.

One of my greatest hopes for the evolution of humankind, however faint a glimmer it is at times in light of current world affairs and circumstances, is that people who think and believe as you will become a minority (or better yet, vanish altogether, which is quite a larger dream) so that the rest of us can finally live together in peace.

At any rate, may the powers you most believe in deliver the lessons you most need to learn.

Interested correspondents can contactify me at: http://www.contactify.com/7cdcc

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Re: Circle the Wagons! They're Coming for Columbus!
By: T.M. on 06/21/2007 at 10:41 PM
Columbus is a false idol of the past and it's time to take this relic down off the pedestal and toss it in the garbage of "interpretations of history that are untruthful and do not serve humankind" where it belongs!

Published material such as this goes to show that too much education gets in the way of true learning. Hopefully someday it will be more than a mere handful of white, Euro-Immigrant Anglos (and other non-Indians) who are willing to stand up and speak out against the types of human rights abuses that are still perpetrated by their own government (and their own people at large) against those who were here on "North American" soil first.

I am a woman of Euro-Jewish descent who has been questioned repeatedly througout her life "what nationality/etnicity are you?" because of the texture of her hair and the shape of her body. Naturally, I find this question both indicative of poor/non-existant interpersonal manners and of a general ignorance on the part of the person doing the asking. I have been mistaken for black, Latino, New Yorker, Texan and probably a whole host of other things which, to my knowledge, I am not. Perhaps this is part of my growing sensitivity to the sorts of challenges and obstacles facing American Indians and their descendants to this very moment in time.

Mr. Shive, the content you have published here is so disgusting to me that I could not get past the first paragraph of your article. People of any skin color or racial persuasion who think and believe such as yourself remind me of the sort of person who would disturb me on the bus or in other public places just to ask what my ethnic heritage is. Or like the kind of person who is silly enough to approach someone of American Indian heritage and ask them about their blood quantum.

Please get to the nearest branch of your local library and find yourself a copy of Broken Rainbow. Granted it's over 20 years old and merely scratches the surface of the issues (and doesn't touch on the situations faced by people in Pine Ridge, South Dakota or other places in Indian Country - for that I recommend Lakota Woman: Siege at Wounded Knee, Incident at Oglala), but it will give you a better idea exactly what American Indian peoples are up against in today's world. My challenge to you, as someone who seems to be pitching themself as "a man of knowledge", is to watch the film in its entirety and ask yourself how you would feel, what you would think, and how you would respond were yourself and your kin on the receiving end of such calculatedly inhumane and intentionally genocidal treatment. If you're not sufficiently moved to tears and/or white-knuckled moral and humanitarian outrage by the time the credits roll, then you most assuredly are not in possession of a heart or a soul, in which case there is little hope for you as a human being.

One of my greatest hopes for the evolution of humankind, however faint a glimmer it is at times in light of current world affairs and circumstances, is that people who think and believe as you will become a minority (or better yet, vanish altogether, which is quite a larger dream) so that the rest of us can finally live together in peace.

At any rate, may the powers you most believe in deliver the lessons you most need to learn.

Interested correspondents can contactify me at: http://www.contactify.com/7cdcc

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